Transcript of the interview of David Gruder
David Gruder: The second level of energy psychology self-help that I like to teach people has to do with when they want to make a change or they want to deal with an issue but they have objections inside themselves. Sometimes what we want to do, there is something inside is that says oh! No I really, I can’t do that. I shouldn’t do that because it’s not safe to make that change. I don’t deserve to make that change or someone might get hurt, someone’s might feel hurt if I change or things like that. So that we often times when in fact I would say more than often times when people including me have wanted to make particular change for appearing your time in construct to I just discover then this moment then I want to make a change but they want have wanted to make the change for a period of time. They have not make change here and I have found that is always because there is some risk involved in that making the change that they haven’t dealt with yet and until they deal with the risk, until they give with the objection, they won’t have the internal permission to make the change.
So let’s do a couple of energy exercises for clearing away objections of the changes that we want to make. So I am not going to ask for the recording to say out loud what you are thinking of but can think in your own mind about a change that you want to make that you haven’t make yet.
David Laroche: I can speak about this.
David Gruder: Okay that’s fine.
David Laroche: It’s okay for me, the change they don’t… Can you repeat your question?
David Gruder: A change that you would like to make that you haven’t made.
David Laroche: I have one…I would like to manage better my anger.
David Gruder: You would like to have manage your anger better.
David Laroche: Yeah.
David Gruder: Okay, and so if you were better at managing your anger what risks would you be taking?
David Laroche: Wow.
David Gruder: Well, what risks did you feel you will be taking, even if you maybe you may not want to.
David Laroche: Yeah, I have something, I am not sure; there is a kind of message inside myself that “if you are not angry this thing is nothing important”.
David Gruder: Good that’s a great example. So if I manage my anger better things might stop being important to me. I might lose my passion. I might lose my desire to help things be different, I need my anger in order to make sure that things change is that something like that?
David Laroche: I think so I feel that.
David Gruder: Yeah I see it on your face, yeah good, okay. So let’s try an energy psychology treatment for that and we have seen right in this moment what impact it produces or it doesn’t produce for you. So tap the side of your hands at the side of your hand just like the karate chop point, and say even if it’s not safe for me to be managing my anger…
David Laroche: Okay I am sorry, you want me to repeat? Even if it’s not safe.
David Gruder: For me to be effectively managing my anger.
David Laroche: For me to be effectively managing my anger.
David Gruder: I deeply and profoundly.
David Laroche: I deeply and profoundly.
David Gruder: Love and accept myself.
David Laroche: Love and accept myself, yeah.
David Gruder: Okay, now let’s try another one, and let’s have you tap on the temple, the indentation that’s between your orbit around your eye and your hairline. It's right here in between, indentation. Yeah so start tapping back and forth like this and say even if I lost some of my passion if I got rid of my anger, I lost some of my passion…
David Laroche: Even if I lost some of my passion if I get rid of my anger
David Gruder: I deeply and profoundly, love and accept myself.
David Laroche: I deeply and profoundly, love and accept myself.
David Gruder: Let's do one more. I am going to do one more. I am going to do this in a different kind of way what is usually done, but I am going to have you tap on the location that’s right underneath your collar bone, just under the notch on the underside of the collar bone there is little indentation just out from the notch.
David Laroche: Yeah, there……….
David Gruder: Little bit further out, can I find it for you? So there is the notch there is your collar bone and there is that indentation. So start tapping there, back and forth you doesn’t have to tap right on the skin, that’s good and them the following. I am willing to consider the possibility, that I can be free of my anger and still have all of my passion and commitment.
David Laroche: I am willing to consider the possibility, that I can be free of my anger and still have all of my passion and commitment,
David Gruder: Good, okay now take a couple of comfortable breaths, you can stop tapping, and tell me about your objection to be over anger.
David Laroche: Right objection to?
David Gruder: Tell me whether there’s still a risk that if you
David Laroche: Now I feel less objection………
David Gruder: If you less objection. So, what you’ve done is to establish internal permission to read to change your energy system relationship with your and it would be at that point that would be would go in to the third aspect of what I like to teach people to be able to do with energy treatments, which is to actually treat that yourself.